by Daniel Gill, Queen Mary University of London

Autism is a condition with many associated challenges, but for some people it presents some benefits. This distinction is greatly apparent in the workplace, where autistic people often find it difficult to get along with others (and their boss), and to complete the work that has been set for them. It’s not all negatives though: many autistic people find the work in which they thrive, and given the right circumstances and support, an autistic person is able to succeed in such an environment.
We often rightly hear about the greats in computer science; Ada Lovelace, Alan Turing, Lynn Conway (who sadly passed away earlier this month) – but let us not forget the incredible teams of computer scientists working around the clock; maintaining the Internet, building the software we use every day, and teaching the next generation. For this two-part article, I have spoken with Stephen Parry, an autistic computer scientist, who, after working in industry for 20 years, now teaches the subject in a sixth-form college in Sheffield. His autistic traits have caused him challenges throughout his career, but this is not a unique experience – many autistic computer scientists also face the same challenges.
Stephen’s experience with programming started at the age of 14, after being introduced to computers at a curriculum enrichment course. He decided against taking a then “really rubbish” O-Level (now GCSEs) Computer Science course, and the existence of the accompanying A-Level “just didn’t come up on my radar”. He was, however, able to take home the college’s sole RML 380Z for the summer, a powerful computer for the time, with which, he was able to continue to practice programming.
When it came time to go to university, he opted first to study chemistry, a subject he had been studying at A-Level. Though after a short amount of time he realised that he wasn’t as interested in chemistry as he first thought – so he decided to switch to computer science. In our discussions, he praised the computer science course at the University of Sheffield:
“[I] really enjoyed [the course] and got on well with it. So, I kind of drifted into it as far as doing it seriously is concerned. But it’s been a hobby of mine since I was 14 years old, and once I was on the degree, I mean, the degree at Sheffield was a bit like a sweetie shop. It really was absolutely brilliant. We did all kinds of weird and wonderful stuff, all of it [was] really interesting and engaging, and the kind of stuff that you wouldn’t get by either playing around on your own or going out into [the] workplace. As I’ve always said, that’s what a university should be. It should expose you to the kind of stuff that you can’t get anywhere else, the stuff that employers haven’t realised they need yet.”
Of autistic people who go to university, research shows they are much more likely the general population to pick STEM subjects [EXTERNAL]. For lots of autistic people, the clear logical and fundamental understanding behind scientific subjects is a great motivator. Stephen describes how this is something that appeals to him.
“[What] I enjoy about computer science is how it teaches you how the computer actually works at a fundamental level. So, you’re not just playing with a black box anymore – it’s something you understand. And especially for someone on the [autism] spectrum, that’s a really important aspect of anything you do. You want to understand how things work. If you’re working with something, and you don’t understand how it works, usually it’s not very satisfying and kind of frustrating. Whereas, if you understand the principles going on inside of it then, when you know you’ve got it, it kind of unlocks it for you.”
While autistic traits often result in challenges for autistic people, there are some which can present a benefit to someone in computer science. A previous CS4FN article described how positive traits like ‘attention to detail’ and ‘resilience and determination’ link well to programming. Stephen agrees that these traits can help him to solve problems:
“If I get focused on a problem, the hyper focus kicks in, and I will just keep plugging away until it’s done, fixed or otherwise overcome. I know it’s both a benefit and hazard – it’s a double edged sword, but at the same time, you know you have to have that attention to detail and that, to put it another way, sheer bloody mindedness to be determined that you’re going to make it work, or you’re going to understand how it works, and that does come definitely from the [autism] spectrum.”
Although he enjoyed the content greatly, Stephen had a rocky degree, both in and out of lectures. However, some unexpected benefits arose from being at university; he both found faith and met his future wife. These became essential pillars of support, as he prepared to enter the workforce. This he did, working both as a programmer and in a variety of IT admin and technical support roles.
About 78% of autistic adults are currently out of work [EXTERNAL] (compared with 20% in the general population). This is, in part, reflective of the fact that some autistic people are unable to work because of their condition. But for many others, despite wanting to work, they cannot because they do not get the support they need (and are legally entitled to) within their workplace.
At this time, however, Stephen wasn’t aware of his condition, only receiving his diagnosis in his 40s. He described how this transition from university to work was very challenging.
“I moved into my first job, and I found it very, very difficult because I didn’t know that I’ve got this sort of difference – this different way my brain works that affects everything that you do. I didn’t know when I came across difficulties, it was difficult to understand why, at least to an extent, for me and for other people, it was deeply frustrating. I mean, speak to just about every manager I’ve ever had, and the same sort of pattern tends to come out. Most of them recognised that I was very difficult to manage because I found myself very difficult to manage. But time management is an issue with everything – trying to complete tasks to any kind of schedule, trying to plan anything. Oh, my days, when I hear the word SMART. [It’s an] acronym [meaning] specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and time specific. I hear that, and it just it makes me feel physically ill sometimes, because I cannot. I cannot SMART plan.”
However, during his time in work, he had some good luck. Despite the challenges associated with autism, some managers took advantage of the positive skills that he brings to the table:
“I found that a real challenge, interpersonally speaking, things like emotional regulation and stuff like that, which I struggle with, and I hate communicating on the phone and various other things, make me not the most promising employee. But the managers that I’ve had over the years that have valued me the most are the ones who recognised the other side of the coin, which is [that] over the years, I have absorbed so much knowledge about computer science and there are very [few] problems that you can come across that I don’t have some kind of insight into.”
This confidence in a range of areas in computer science is also a result of Stephen’s ability to link lots of areas and experiences together, a positive skill that some autistic people have:
“I found that with the mixture of different job roles I did, i.e. programming, support, network admin and database admin, my autism helped me form synergies between the different roles, allowing me to form links and crossover knowledge between the different areas. So, for example, as a support person with programming experience, I had insight into why the software I was helping the user with did not work as desired (e.g. the shortcuts or mistakes the programmer had likely made) and how maybe to persuade it to work. As a programmer with support experience, you had empathy with the user and what might give them a better UX, as well as how they might abuse the software. All this crossover, also set me up for being able to teach confidently on a huge range of aspects of CS.”
For autistic students who are planning on working in a computer science career, he has this to say:
“As an autistic person, and I would say this to anybody with [autism], you need to cultivate the part of you that really wants to get on well with people and wants to be able to care about people and understand people. Neurotypical people get that ability out of the box, and some of them take it for granted. I tend to find that the autistic people who actually find that they can understand people, that they work at it until they can, [are] often more conscientious as a result. And I think it’s important that if you’re an autistic person, to learn how to be positive about people and affirm people, and interact with them in positive ways, because it can make you a more caring and more valuable human being as a as a result.”
“Look for jobs where you can really be an asset, where your neurodiversity is the asset to what you’re trying to do, but at the same time, don’t be afraid to try to, and learn how to engage with people. Although it’s harder, it’s often more rewarding as a result.”
After working in industry for 20 years, the last half as which as a contractor, Stephen decided to take a considerable pay drop and become a computer science teacher. In the second part of this article, we will continue our conversation and find out what led him to choose a career change to teaching.
More on …
- Working in Computer Science: An Autistic Perspective (Part 2)
- Diversity in Computer Science
- Neurodiversity and what it takes to be a good programmer
- Research on how people with autism gravitate to STEM subjects [EXTERNAL]
- The autism employment gap [EXTERNAL]
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