by Daniel Gill, Queen Mary University of London
In Part 1, we spoke to Stephen Parry about his experiences of working in computer science as an autistic person. In this second part, we discuss with him his change from this stressful working environment to teaching A-Level computer science, and how rewarding he has found teaching as a career.
Following a tough experience at his last workplace, Stephen decided he needed a change. He used this as a prompt to start thinking about alternatives:
“[When] things aren’t working out, you need to take a step back and work out what the problem is before it becomes really serious. I still hadn’t had a diagnosis by that point, so things probably would have gone very differently if I had, but I took a step back after that job. I was fed up of being stressed, trying to help people [who] have already got far too much money make more money, and then being told that I was being paid too much. That was kind of my experience from my last employer. And so, I decided that I wanted to get stressed for something worthwhile instead: my mum had been a teacher, so I’d always had it in mind as a possibility.”
Stephen did, of course, have some reservations financially.
“I’d always thought it was financially too much of a step down, which a lot of people in the computer science industry will find out. I did take pretty much a 50% pay cut to become a trainee teacher: in fact, worse than that. But it’s amazing when you want to do something, what differences that makes! And there’s plenty of people out there that will sacrifice a salary to start their own business, and all the power to them. But people don’t think [like this] when they’re thinking about becoming a teacher, for example, which I think is wrong. Yes, teachers should be better paid than they are, but they’re never going to be as well paid as programmers or team leaders or whatever in industry. You shouldn’t expect that to be the case, because we’re public servants at the end of the day, and we’re here for the job as much as we are for the money. We want our roof over our head, but we’re not looking to get mega rich. We’re there to make a difference.”
While considering this change of profession, Stephen reflected on his existing skills, and whether they fit the role of teaching. With support from his wife and a DWP (Department for Work and Pensions) work coach, he was reminded of his ability to “explain technical stuff to [people] in a language [they] could understand.”
Stephen had the opportunity to get his first experience of teaching as a classroom volunteer. Alongside a qualified teacher, he was able to lead a lesson – which he found particularly exciting:
“It was a bit like being on drugs. It was exhilarating. I sort of sat there thinking, you know, this is something I really want to do.”
It’s around this time that Stephen got his autism diagnosis. For autistic people who receive a diagnosis, there can be a lot of mixed emotions. For some, it can be a huge sense of relief – finally understanding who they are, and how that has affected their actions and behaviours throughout their life. And for others it can come as a shock [EXTERNAL]. For Stephen, this news meant reconsidering his choice of a career in teaching:
“I had to stop and think, because, when you get your diagnosis for the first time as an adult or as an older person anyway, it does make you stop and think about who you are. It does somewhat challenge your sense of self.”
“It kind of turns your world a bit on its head. So, it did knock me a fair bit. It did knock my sense of self. But then I began to sort of put pieces together and realise just what an impact it had on my working life up until that point. And then the question came across, can I still do the job? Am I going to be able to teach? Is it really an appropriate course of action to take? I didn’t get the answer straight away, but certainly over the months and the years, I came to the conclusion it was a bit like when I talk to students who say, ‘should I do computer science?’ And I say to them, ‘well, can you program?’ ‘Yes.’ ‘Yes, you do need to do computer science.’ It’s not just you can if you want to – it’s a ‘you should do CS.’ It’s the same thing if you’re on the spectrum, or you’re in another minority, a significant minority like that, where you’re able to engage with a teaching role: you should do.”
Stephen did go on to complete teacher training, and has now worked as an A-Level and GCSE teacher for 15 years. He still benefits from his time in work, however, as he is able to enlighten future computer science students about the workplace:
“Well, you know the experiences I’ve had as a person in industry, where else are the students going to be exposed to that second-hand? Hopefully they’ll be exposed to it first-hand, but, if I can give them a leg up, and an introduction to that, being forewarned and forearmed and all that, then that’s what should happen.
“I do spend a chunk of my teaching explaining what it’s like working in industry: explaining the difficulties of dealing with management; (1) when you think you know better, you might not know better – you don’t know yet; (2) if you do, keep your mouth shut until the problem occurs, then offer a positive and constructive solution. Hopefully they won’t say ‘why didn’t you say something sooner?’ If they do, just say, ‘Well, I wasn’t sure it was my place to, I’m only new.’”
Teaching is famously a very rewarding career path, and this is no different for Stephen. In our discussion, he outlined a few things that he enjoyed about teaching:
“It’s [a] situation where what you do, lives on. If I drop dead tomorrow, all that stuff that I learned about; how different procedure calls work or whatever, could potentially just disappear into the ether. But because I’ve shared it with all my students, they will hopefully make use of it, and it will carry on. And it’s a way of having a legacy, which I think we all want, to a certain extent.”
“Young people nowadays, particularly those of us on the spectrum, but it applies to all, the world does everything possible at the moment to destroy most young people’s self-esteem. Really, really knock people flat. Society is set up that way. Our social media is set up that way. Our traditional media is set up that way. It’s all about making people feel pretty useless, pretty rubbish in the hope, in some cases, of selling them something that will make them feel better, which never does, or in other cases, just make someone else feel good by making someone else feel small. It’s kind of the more the darker side of humanity coming out that teaching is an opportunity to counter that. If you can make a young person feel good about themselves; if you can help them conquer something that they’re not able to do; if you could help them realise that it doesn’t matter if they can’t, they’re still just as important and wonderful and valuable as a human being.”
“The extracurricular activities that I do: ‘Exploring the Christian faith’ here at college. And part of that is helping people [to] find a spiritual worth they didn’t realise they had. So, you get that opportunity as a teacher, which a bus driver doesn’t get, for example. Bus drivers are very useful – they do a wonderful job. But once they’ve dropped you off, that’s the end of the job. Sometimes we’re a bit like bus drivers as teachers. You go out the door with your grades, and that’s fine, but then some people keep coming back. I haven’t spotted the existential elastic yet, but it’s there somewhere. I’m sure I didn’t attach it. But that is another one of the things that motivates me to be a teacher.”
Stephen Parry now teaches at a sixth-form college near Sheffield. The author would like to thank Stephen for taking time out of his busy schedule to take part in this interview.
More on …
- Working in Computer Science: An Autistic Perspective (Part 1)
- Diversity in Computer Science
- Neurodiversity and what it takes to be a good programmer
- NHS Guidance for Newly Diagnosed Autistic People [EXTERNAL]
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